The wikipedia articles on Armenia and Azerbaijan mentioned a genetic study claiming that the peoples of those countries are more closely related to each other than to their co-linguists in other countries. When I looked the study up, though, I found it just mentioned the relationship between Azeris of different countries. Has anyone done a similar study comparing Armenians with their diaspora? Armen-Yan's comments suggest that they have.

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The study of DNA in the male line gives me the greatest interest, because I belong to haplogroup G2a3b1 (my branch of Adyghe, Circassian), and one of the Armenians had already identified themselves as belonging to G2a3b1. Of course, it is not a branch Circassian, and autochthonous, since separated from my branch about 5000 years ago. This age is the common ancestor was possible to calculate due to the fact that an anonymous Armenian (he has ID 9XE3S on site ysearch.org) ordered the test at 67 markers. So I have a question: how many markers and chromosomes to be investigated in the project?

I'd like to clarify the reason the test is done on men as opposed to women and what the 50/50 thing means. Basically, when you check the genetic profile of a man, you can check is Y chromosome DNA, which is only passed down through the father's line. That means you can trace the father's, father's, father's.......distant ancestor all the way back to when a particular mutation or mutations occurred in the DNA. Also, in men, as in women, you can test the Mitochondrial DNA, which is passed through the mother's side. Men can't pass their own mitochondrial DNA to their children, but they retain it their whole lives. If you were to do a DNA test on a female, then you can only check her mitochondrial DNA and you only have half a picture. What must be understood here is that for each individual, you're only tracing two ancestors out of millions. Imagine a person as a tree trunk, and the leaves as all the ancestors. Basically, all you're doing is tracing what two of those leaves are like out of millions. Still, if enough Armenians have their DNA analyzed, we can get a better picture of our past. What I do know is that language is a poor way of determining ancestral migration. A very dominant but small group of invaders can easily influence the local environment, change the language, but hardly alter the genetic DNA. Armenians, Turks, Azeris, as much as people divide them now through nationalism, are ancestrally rooted in the lands they inhabit. Sure, Turks and Azeris speak Turkish, which has its roots in language and culture to central Asia, but their genetic data is hardly altered by Central Asian genes. Just the same, Armenians, who speak an indo-european language are often described by Western ethnologists as migrants from Greece or whatever, but even if the language does show that in its history, the genetic data says otherwise. Genetically, we are an indigenous people who are a mixture of other migratory elements without our region of the world. Regardless of how much people will fight it, you can't argue with hard science. What the genetic data shows is that regardless of the language and culture spoken today, most inhabitants of the Armenian highlands, the Caucasus, and Anatolia are indigenous to the area. They surely had much cultural interference from invaders, migrants, traders, merchants, and whatever causes a new contribution, however physically small, but culturally dominant, to the gene pool.

The numbers below are taken from a science blog. These numbers show the central asian contribution to some countries in middle east. This numbers claims that Armenians are more Central Asian than their Turkish neighbors. Anatolia _____________ 0.127 ___ 0.000–0.474 Azerbaijan ___________ 0.315 ___ 0.000–0.843 Armenia _____________ 0.201 ___ 0.000–0.707 Georgia _____________ 0.217 ___ 0.000–0.596 Northern Caucasus ___ 0.221 ___ 0.000–0.771 Syria ________________ 0.326 ___ 0.000–0.858 http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2009/06/what_it_means_to_be_a_turk.php I pasted only because I found it interesting. Central Asian does not necessarily mean "Turkic" by the way. “As a result, we managed to figure out something very important to us: Armenians in Syunik province and Nagorno-Karabakh lived here even 40-50 thousand years ago, when Homo Sapiens appeared in this territory,” This Mr. Margaryan looks like the Armenian version of our dumb "historian" Mr. Halaçoğlu. He did a great job and proved that Armenians are a 50 thousand years old civilization :)

The blood of only men is gathered, because they, unlike women, have the genes of both parents by 50-50 proportion, and the possibility of defining genes among men is 100 percent. I cannot find any evidence that this is true. What are these scientists basing this idea on?

That research also showed thru genetic calculations based on the based on the common ancestor with 95% probability that Armenian population growth in the area started from about 4800 years ago and not 40-50 thousand years ago as this article claims. Maybe someone accidentally added a zero at the end:)

This is very fascinating research and it can verify the facts we already know through linguistic and archeological research. It will have also shed the light on the unknown and may have a lot unexpected and surprising results. This type of research has already been done once before in the UK and published in October 2001. They took DNA samples from 734 Armenian males originated from different regions and also in the areas surrounding Armenia. It was surprising that Armenians were genetically closer with turks and azeries than with georgians. Also, Sunik and Karabagh areas appeared to be genetically more isolated and close to the Atlantic peoples type. Since this research has been done last time there were a lot of advancements in DNA science and technology. So, it will be very interesting and hopefully one day anyone can take a test and get find out his or her past and maybe even get the printout of their genealogical tree:)

This sounds interesting. I want to do it also. How can I get this test here in the US?

I have checked my DNA, and the results revealed a path from Kenia to Scandinavia. This was a very straight path. Every month I receive a list of names who are genetically related to me. They are 90% are Scandivians and Irish, the 5% are Western Europeans. My great grand parents are from Mush ( left Mush in 1820 and Iran 1946

First of all a comment to the comment of the "anonimous." If the person identifies humself or herself as an Aermenian then there is nothing to be ashemed of, or whole history of our nation is a fiction. I don't think so. Yes, DNA map of our genes will reveal traces of mongoles, turkes, assyrians, and perhaps Byzanines and many other existing and extingted nations and tribal groups. So what? It is just another perfect and precise way to go deep into our history. To the research group.By me, this is not only an interesting research project that any scientis will welcome. Besides its scientifc value this work has a grate historic, political, why not, strategic value for out nation. Identification of the Armenian population in central Anatoly, Eatern Europe, Bascs or ancient habitants of Englad may have unpredictable consequences... Keep going! P.S. Sorry for my far from perfec English.

Es chem haskanum. Martu Genes-er@ galis e Yerkoo Tsnoxneric, Inchi E asum vor miayn mart@na vor yerkoo tsnoxits ooni? Es inch kensabanutyuna? Grum ek chisht grek vor gone sxal chelnenk.soma

So what will their response be when it turns out their bloodlines actually include Mongols, Turks, and Arabs? The whole region is mixed- ideas like this are just ridiculous. I'd expect this garbage from Ankara....