I totally agree with Arevelk. I'm from Turkey and I think that friendly relations as neighbours would be better for both sides. This ıssue would start by opening borders and it really doesn't depend on who needs whom.

Karabag is Azerbaijan land.Infact yerevan is not armenian as well..In this world there is nowhere that belongs to Armenians but they want to steal it from others..Let france and america give them some land.

fair enough Turco, i will agree for today that you sound objective, I will remind you on future posts when you start taking sides in this conflict...

Axx Spurktsi Jan! "Why it irretates you so much when i say NKR should be an independent/part of AM" How did you come to the conclusion that I am against indepenceof NKR? I think independence of NKR is the best solution, becuase Azeris and Armenians of Karabakh cannot live side by side anymore. As I favor NKR independence, I also favor and support return of Kalbajar, Aghdam, Fizuli, Jebrayil rayons. "and what is going to happen to the local population?" What would happen to local population is that, they would be ordered to leave in a few hours, as they faced in Karabakh. Thanks to god, it didnot happen. "it is your Turkish blood weighing with the AZR" LOL, I am amazed, what a smart analysis!

I would say that as more people in Turkey start thinking like Turco, Armenian-Turkish reconciliation can make more progress. It is not necessary for people to agree on everything. As to Nakhichevan, yes it is historically Armenian but it is not right to claim this land. There is no need to create additional problems with Azerbaijan. Yes remaining Armenians were expelled from there in 1988-89, but going back 100 years Armenians unfortunately were not a majority there (but they were in Karabakh). Can Armenians travel to Azerbaijan in safety? Can Azerbaijanis travel to Karabakh and Armenia in safety? Small steps are needed to increase confidence on both sides

Turco (AKA fromturkey), i have to give it to you that you try to be objective, but you fail as well. Of course, my blood is Armenian and i want the wellfare of the people who share my history. if you want to look at it objectively, you need to present all the facts on the table. If you mention only Azr refugees than you are mistaken, you HAVE to mention both. Why it irretates you so much when i say NKR should be an independent/part of AM proper and refugees should return? it is your Turkish blood weighing with the AZR. But when one of your fanatic citizens comes here talking rubbish, we have to remind him/her of Cyprus and the saying 'if your home is built from glass, don't throw stones on others'. You need population to support an envasion/occupation/liberation, who is going to live in Naxichevan? and what is going to happen to the local population? NKR and Naxichevan had mixed population, Naxichevan has 0 Armenians now (another fact) while it had probably half/half, so is it a myth that NKR would have faced the same outcome? they stood up for their rights, fought for their liberation and they succeeded, another fact..... what is ur question fromturkey that i never answer u, why r u so tense most of the time? i don't do research as a profession, i'm just someone interested in history.... and what does age has to do with anything? i love ghadayef if that is of any significance...

Anonymous, we're hoping to increase the Russian help to one billion Euros per year (that's only the official figure) so Armenia can stay a thorn in Turkey's greedy eye.

But you forget Armenians a majority in Karabakh. Karabakh Armenians voted to separate from Azerbaijan, so Azerbaijan attacked their land, and Armenians fought back. In Cyprus, Turks were a minority and after invasion by Turkey there is a new state KKTC. UN wants Turkey to leave Cyprus

A good sign of ignorance again. When somebody opens his mouth and talks about Azeri refugees, the reaction is always same. "But, what about our refugees?", "So why you occupy Cyprus?" I am not a child to shut up with this childish answers. I am talking about the facts. Of course refugees of both sides should return, and of course they may not. And Spurktsi you rock again saying that Azerbaijan is responsible for the conditions of Karabakh Azeris. No need to comment on your fair claims. You never answer me directly since I write here with the nickname "fromturkey". Everybody knows Armenia would occupy Nakhchivan, if there wasnt Turkish and international reaction. Probably Russians didnot allow, because of the secret deals with Turkey. The simple fact is Spurktsi, you dont have an objective perspective on the conflict. You may be much smarter and may have studied your work very well, it is categorically impossible for you to analyse the case objectively. You view it as an Armenian, but I donot view it as a Turk. This is why I have a much superior position in the discussion. By the way how old are you? (I am 24)

According to UN resolutions,Armenia is invader in Azerbaijan.So according to international law,Azerbaijan is victim whereas Armenia is an aggressor.I do think that the massacre in Azerbaijan is the last genocide of 20th century.Therefore the ones who participated the crimes will be punished acc to law.Armenians dont have privilidge to be a criminal.Armenia doesnt have excuse to invade 20% of azerbaijan land. PS:Russia donated 800 million euro equivalent weapon to armenia..So we all know who is the "doping of Armenia"

Well said Arto. But this technique is not new for Turks and their cousins, remember how they committed the Genocide? they said Armenians are a threat. Same now, Armenians are occupying 20% of Azerbayjan and 1 million refugees are living in poverty so let's occupy Armenia and get rid of the Armenians from that region. It is easy to tell the truth with the Turks and their cousins(at least official Turkey & Azer, i'm not talking about the Turkish population), just assume the opposite of what they say. You'll know that Azeris attacked NKR Armenians and wanted them to move from their historic land in NKR... sure thing NKR villagers defended their lands and do whatever it takes to keep the agressors at bay...

It is actually tiring and offending that Azeries and Turks keep complaining and talking about the Azeri refugees from the war...let me ask you something, did you think we don't have refugees ourselves? Let me ask you something else, did your refugees, and not only them, the whole Azerbaijani population had to struggle without permanent electricity for 7 years? Did your refugees had to go around searching for hours for trees and everything in hand to burn and get warm in order to not die freezing in the winter time? Well, we did, we struggled so hard to not fall as a country and as people, because some crazy country decided to unleash a war against our people in their own land and other crazy country closed the border with us, although they had nothing to do in the issue. Who should be complaining and whining about it? Azerbaijan complains about how poor their refugees live, have you ever seen us complain or cry to anybody? We have more reasons to complain than them, yet they present themselves as the victims. Did Azerbaijan depended on anybody to have any resources to help their people? No, last time I checked Azerbaijan had plenty of oil reserves and has always had, had the support of economic potency Turkey. Azerbaijan has everything to help their people, why they don't help their refugees improving their conditions? Because those poor people are the "sad" factor they use to make the international viewers cry. Azerbaijan has a lot of money, help your people Aliyev! Instead of wasting money buying multi-millionaire properties in Dubai for your kids. If the Azeries had never unleashed a war against the Armenians of NKR, the people around of NKAO would have never been forced to leave their homes. The NKR proclaimed itself with the territory of NKAO, we were forced to move outside the territory to secure our people from them. But what moral power do Turks have to accuse us of anything, when they occupy 40% of Cyprus...don't you think it's a little hypocrite? If you want to think you have the right to tell us "withdraw from Karabakh if you want the protocols to move", then we should say "withdraw from Cyprus".

Turco, i believe you forgot an important number here as well, the Armenians living in Baku and other cities (outside of Karabakh), somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 that had to flee Azeri massacres in urban cities unrelated to NKR... Your whole logic of figures doesn't add up, of course if you are going to shoot on me then i'm going to protect myself (whether i am 1 and you are 10, or do you want the majority to eat the minority?), if you sit peacefully in Fizuli then i doubt anyone would bother you. The proof is that these ghost cities have never been re-populated, doesn't that mean anything to you? We never heard of any Armenian wanting to advance and take Azeri lands unless it was necessary for the security of NKR, the whole movement was defensive, and as in basketball, a good defense needs a strong ofense. i personally think that refugees from both sides should return, Armenians to Baku and Azeris to the adjacent lands, but I doubt Armenians would feel safe again in Baku, while Azeri logistics in the adjacent lands is much better.... As for the condition of the Azeri refugees, i believe it was the UN or some international body demanding the Azeri gov. to help these people move to decent apartments, but the Azeris refuse moving them from cow sheds because it is easier to move them back to their pre-war area they say.... So it is just the political will of Azerbayjan to keep its own refugees in cow sheds, they have plenty of money.... while Armenia provided housing for the Armenian refugees, and integrated them in its population....

Spurktsi, you have some right points in your post. However,you vulgarise the case in Karabakh. According to your conception, Azerbaijan as a state is a thread to Armenian civilians, so you should stand for an Armenian offensive to Ganja and Baku. The life of 120.000 Karabakh Armenians is much more important than 600.000 Azeri refugees. I saw their residences. Most of them live in very bad conditions, in places like cowsheds. Only Fizuli had more population than all Armenians in Karabakh. 600.000 people in exile, for the sucrity of 120.000 people... Are you kidding?

Well I read all journalist that recently went to Armenia by a american sponsorship inorder to learn something new.What is common in our journalists articles are that they are one to one suffler of Armenian thesis.(they are all selected journalists I guess because their views are photocopy of one the other)I am dissappointed that they couldnt state anything rational that is interesting. What is most funny is that our journalists claim that the hotels in armenia are full of iranian tourists without mentioning nowdays is newroz in Iran..What is difference between a journalist and tourist guide?I think a good tourist guide who knows politics very little can write armenian thesis as much as our journalists! Last I was listening Erdal Guven in TRT (our national TV)..He was repeating above "arguments"..But his views lacks vision and limited with his touristic views. This result me to search how Erdal Guven become a journalist that is expert in international politics .The result is much more interesting.Erdal Guven is an interpreter graduatated from Bogazici university.(Bogazici mutercim tercumanlık) This result me to think that,anyone who knows english can be a journalist and anyone who can eat the shih kebaps in armenia can write armenian thesis. Cry turkey cry.. With above mentioned human resources we can never win any cases of us.Therefore France violates free speech.France gives 16 year to a criminal that killed 8 people..therefore Azerbaijan is still under invasion.therefore the criminals in Hocalı genocide are all free in their residences..Therefore armenian blackmails are still successful wdiespread in the world. So urgently we need journalists that have job ethics to write objectively and rationally who are able to know foreign affairs not only theoric also in practice.. PS:About Armenianow,I dont think that this newspaper is open to different opinions but they are following the same line that is monopol in armenia.so I am still surprized howcome my comments are published.May be there are some open minded editors who knows?Or may be they are bored of the same views:)..who knows??

Anonynous, tell me, how silly do you feel now that armenianow posted your comment? we know that you're only used to brainwashing and one sided arguments. As for Khojali, you claim that 20% of Azerbeijan is liberated by Armenians, why was there only one massacre then? Maybe Azeris were exceptionally good runners? but we don't see them in the olympics. khojali was a war zone and it was used to bombard Armenian villagers, and it had to be liberated. It seems Azeri soldiers didn't want the Azeri villagers to flee their homes, and some died in the cross fire.... i would actually talk more about Sumgait and Baku massacres to Armenians, these cities were in peace and far away from the conflict zone, Armenians in these cities were living in urban apartments,when the massacres happened the war in Nagorno Karabakh republic had not even started.... the world community is well aware of the Azeri savageness that lead to the creation of the NKR, the rest is just politics...

I think much is written in Turkish media about Karabakh wars already. This time, something different. Why not? Armenia and Turkey - it is better to have normal relations as neighbours. Not only a question of does Armenia need Turkey? Or does Turkey need Armenia? Armenian invasion of Azerbaijan - Armenian forces say they will leave most of Azerbaijan if Karabakh has independence. North Cyprus is also separate from South Cyprus!

Well our journalists Erdal Guven, Mehmet Ali Birand, Ceyda Karan and some other journalists of us make a touristic visit to armenia by help of an america based sponsorship.In the touristic visit it is very obvious that while eating shih kebaps they look around and try to find a positive thing to write therefore they almost all find todays armenia doesnt need Turkey so much..So our tourist journalist who can write with orders didnt give any figure anything that make the reader think that they studied their lesson..So why armenias population decreased to 2 million from 3 million?1 million go to touristic resorts outside?So isnt Russia owns the 60% of the all resources in the country..Or Armenians donated to russia all these resources..If Armenia doesnt need Turkey so much why to bother to open the borders?Do we need Armenia?Why to bother then?? Our tourist journalists, why do they bother?Everything good no problem.. But one thing I must ask to our journalist..why didnt they bother to ask any high quality question that a journalist had to ask for their job ethic?Forexample Armenians invasion of 20% azerbaijan?For example the 38 war criminals that Azerbaijan decleared that responsible for Hocali Massacre(genocide)..Or do they ask varoujan Gabrisyan who killed 8 people(2 of them turk) in orly in paris in 1983 right now living in his residence in yerevan.. So I advice my tourists journalists to take orhan pamuk with them next time..May his touristic views be more interesting.. For turkey for us,we need to start to cry from now on..we dont have journalists to write us anyting about international politics.. PS:To editor I dont think that you can publish this comment as ever but anyhow I also think editors also need to hear some different views:)

Interesting commentary, very relevant!